tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522800471258383718.post2226962815705097661..comments2024-03-26T06:56:13.092-04:00Comments on Left Bank Art Blog: Art Markets (and Creative Grove): Democratising or Demeaning?Charles Kesslerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07068758792988742599noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522800471258383718.post-37183775688586310302010-02-19T12:57:10.729-05:002010-02-19T12:57:10.729-05:00You have really great taste on catch article title...You have really great taste on catch article titles, even when you are not interested in this topic you push to read itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522800471258383718.post-90960939891823968892009-06-05T14:07:48.710-04:002009-06-05T14:07:48.710-04:00I love it! Making art out of outdoor art markets. ...I love it! Making art out of outdoor art markets. If that's what the artist is doing, it's brilliant and sophisticated twist on the contemporary trend of taking things that are generally thought of as non-art and making art of it.Charles Kesslerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13661140719490292370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522800471258383718.post-68362402118868010722009-06-03T23:26:49.942-04:002009-06-03T23:26:49.942-04:00I agree that arts education affects the way people...I agree that arts education affects the way people see art. But I think it's important to point out that the artist who started the Creative Grove market is a serious artist who really is part of the "fine arts dialogue." <br /><br />- albAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522800471258383718.post-14283891597969641822009-06-03T08:21:04.594-04:002009-06-03T08:21:04.594-04:00See what I mean?See what I mean?Charles Kesslerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13661140719490292370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522800471258383718.post-30064548685761364002009-06-02T18:13:26.199-04:002009-06-02T18:13:26.199-04:00thank god we have experts like mr. kessler to scho...thank god we have experts like mr. kessler to school us in art appreciation. here i thought it all about how a piece appeals or doesn't appeal to me and whether i want to acquire it. little did i know, as a non-expert, that i must first appreciate its pedigree, its venue, and its qualification as "fine art". <br /><br />silly me. i'll confine myself to "family guy" reruns in the future.<br /><br />what crap.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522800471258383718.post-75818856000067077132009-06-01T15:42:14.012-04:002009-06-01T15:42:14.012-04:00The Creative Grove Artist market is exactly a demo...The Creative Grove Artist market is exactly a democratic, weekly, open and diverse experiment, it will change every week by it's participants, by the viewers and by the interactions, reactions and mood it will produce.<br />As Charles Kessler stated, there are many categories of art, and we, who promote and sell art will have to insist on environments and settings for the type of art we represent. <br />I have seen many outdoor art settings that hold great quality work and at the same time a wide array of work.<br />Across the river the art comunity in Manhattan has established in SoHo an outdoor venue for expression, display and sale.<br /><br />The Washington square art fest twice a year is another venue,<br />Central Park South also twice a year (I think), what about the many art shows outdoors across the States, and a very unconventional but extremely interesting and diverse fest is Burning Man in Nevada.<br />The Creative Grove management would absolutely welcome a curator for the Fine Art Installation sector!fishwithbraids.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522800471258383718.post-38842243041055911672009-06-01T11:17:51.266-04:002009-06-01T11:17:51.266-04:00Creative Grove was actually inaugurated May 22.Creative Grove was actually inaugurated May 22.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522800471258383718.post-27079641968624481122009-05-31T10:08:29.447-04:002009-05-31T10:08:29.447-04:00Why assume, or even hope, “that someone off the st...Why assume, or even hope, “that someone off the street can walk up to a great work of art, recognize its communicative or aesthetic value, and be moved enough to take it home?” People have no problem accepting that a wine connoisseur (or mathematician, or surgeon or computer expert or whatever) knows more about wine than we do and can appreciated the subtleties of wines more than we can. They don’t get touchy about it or feel inferior or insulted -- they just acknowledge they’re not experts in that field. Yet somehow with art we’re somehow supposed to inherently understand it and judge it without any effort, as if one is born with this innate ability. To expect otherwise is to be a snob, elitist or undemocratic. <br /><br />Part of the problem is people are confused about what art is. There’s folk art, outsider art, street art, commercial art, children’s art, illustration, kitsch and fine art -- and probably more that I’m forgetting. Fine Art is different from the others in that it is in dialog with a tradition that goes back thousands of years. Not better or worse than the others -- just different. (I know, I know, there are lots of exceptions, complications and subtleties like public art, crafts, primitive art, etc. but my basic point holds). <br /><br />To show art in an outdoor market, given the history of these markets, is demeaning in two ways: (1) it disregards the effort involved in making fine art. I worked hard learning the fine art tradition, and continue to work hard at it, and so does every artist I know. It doesn’t necessarily make me a good artist, but it does define what type of art I do. And (2) it’s "de-meaning" to the work. It takes the art out of the fine art context and changes the meaning. Duchamp demonstrated how important context is with fine art (this is what I mean -- tradition). A urinal in a bathroom means something very different from a urinal on a pedestal in an art exhibition.Charles Kesslerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13661140719490292370noreply@blogger.com